Legal Ruling Further Muddies Waters on Third-Party Disclosure vs. Mini-Miranda

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Correction: In an earlier version of this story, we incorrectly stated that the case before the U.S. District Court of the Southern District of Florida was Berg v. Penn Credit Corp. The case in question is Berg v. Merchants Association Collection Division, as stated below in the corrected version of the article.

A recent case heard in U.S. District Court – Southern District of Florida again highlights the Catch-22 of using the Mini-Miranda warning in automated voice messages when placing calls to collect a debt.

The warning, which states, “This is an attempt to collect a debt…,” is one that debt collectors must give at the beginning of each communication, whether by voice or in print.

In an earlier case, Foti v. Davis, the automated voice system left a message on Paul S. Foti’s answering machine that said the collector was calling “requiring a personal business matter that requires your immediate attention….”

The message was deemed to be a violation of Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (FDCPA) Section 1692e(11) because the simple identification of the caller at the beginning of the message “did not adequately disclose that the caller was attempting to collect the debt.”

However, the FDCPA also prohibits debt collectors from disclosing information about a debt to third parties. This was the central issue of the case, Berg v. Merchants Association Collection Division, before the Court of the Southern District of Florida.
 
“The Berg decision amplifies this catch-22 problem,” said Valerie Hayes, Corporate Counsel and Vice President of Legal and Government Affairs for ACA International. “In that case, the debt collector left pre-recorded messages with the consumer. The messages informed the consumer the caller was a debt collector, that the message was an attempt to collect a debt, and attempted to confirm that the listener of the message was in fact the consumer.”

The consumer sued the debt collector claiming the debt collector violated the FDCPA by disclosing information about the debt to third parties because third parties heard the messages left by the debt collector and the debt collector knew or had reason to know that people other than the consumer might hear the messages, Hayes continued. The debt collector filed a motion to dismiss, meaning the debt collector argued the lawsuit must fail under the law even if all of the facts alleged by the consumer in his complaint are true.
 
The court recently denied the debt collector’s motion to dismiss, finding that the law allows the consumer to continue with his claim, according to Hayes. The court concluded the messages were communications under the FDCPA, and that although the messages tried to make sure the listener of the message was the consumer, the messages did not inform the consumer to disconnect if listening to the message in the presence of others.

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  • avatar D Louderback says:

    Bipolar

  • avatar Christopher Coelho says:

    Thanks, your honors, for legislating from the bench.

  • avatar BILL MCNABB says:

    Bottom line is that all of us now have the “scripting” to leave a proper message giving the party plenty of opportunity to not listen if not the party. Plus, we have the recordings, so no one will ever be able to claim we didn’t do it correctly (at least for now!)

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  • avatar Casey Middleman says:

    Sue all debtors in florida that have answering machines. This way we won’t violate their rights.

  • avatar Tom Novak says:

    So, according to the Southern District of Florida, it is a possible violation of the FDCPA to leave any answering maching message…no matter what is done.

    In a way, this ruling is bad for the court system. There will be a glut of complaints about 3rd party disclosures….

    In a back-handed way, good for the AR industry…which means court dockets will be slammed with these complaints…producing judicial pressure on Congress to speak on the matter.

    I wonder if this isn’t a First Amendment Commercial speech issue.
    (Rubin v. Coors Brewing…an inferntial step to be sure)

  • avatar steve hepburn says:

    This is nuts, the banking environment needs to reduce its charge offs. People need to repay thier obligations. Perhaps the courts think gov’t bail outs is the way of the future for visa cards now !!

  • avatar DONALD DALY says:

    THIS REDICULOS REQUIREMENT HAS KEPT LAWYERS AND GOVERNMENT BUSY FOR 31 YEARS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY MADE LAW. HOW ABOUT THEY LEGISLATE THIS REQUIREMENT TO ALL INDUSTRIES, “HELLO, THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO SELL YOU SOME LIFE INS”, OR” HELLO, THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO SELL YOU PHONE SERVICE”, ETC. THE ONLY PURPOSE IS TO GUARANTEE JOB SECURITY TO THE DUMMIES WHO AREN’T OTHERWISE EMPLOYABLE…31 YEARS???!!! AND THEY ARE MORE CONFUSED NOW THAN THEY WERE ON DAY #1. IT BELONGS IN THE SCRAP PILE.

  • avatar Robert Baker says:

    It’s easy. Just don’t do it (leave messages)

  • avatar cloud rainmakar says:

    Greetings,

    It would be especially helpful if when discussing recent legal decisions you could provide a link to the actual decision. I look forward to such an improvement on this site.

    Thank You.
    SpyBoy

  • avatar Marianne Fasolo says:

    Im confused. Is it or is it not okay to leave a msg on a debtor’s ans machine stating that it’s an attempt to collect the debt?

  • avatar Sandy Leatham says:

    All our messages now say what ACA recommends we use. If we are not entitled to using messaging, then simply don’t. But, we’ll probably end up being sued for not leaving a message…because the stupid lay person picked up and called from the caller ID. Then got a collection agency…SURPISE! So, you can’t just hang up either, cause we should have stated we were a collection agency attempting to collect a debt. The message is quite lengthy and many machines will hang up during the several pauses that you HAVE to do. Either way, we’re following ACA. Hopefully the new administration won’t shut down debt collectors. It just keeps getting harder.

  • avatar Marc Johnston says:

    Yeah…We put language in the message instructing 3rd parties not to listen and SURPRISE…..we get sued for telling a 3rd party what to do!!!!
    The recommended message with all the pauses is ridiculous and the fact that the no 2 courts in the land can agree is ridiculous.
    If you dont want to get messages from bill collectors, then dont have a voicemail/answering machine.

  • avatar Ken Roth says:

    OK so if you get sued no matter what message you leave, then leave the message that collects you the most money! Use what works on the bottom line so you can at least have more money to pay with when you do get sued.

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